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Post by TubbyBinns on Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:38 am

Dear All,

I am thinking if approaching Steve Kiddle to see if he would be prepared to do a run of early war groundsheet / capes... Later war groundsheet / capes were a light tan... The grommet holes were not reinforced...

The earlier groundsheet / capes were darker brown or camouflage... They had brass eyelets in the grommet holes... The material had more of a rubberised finish to it...

Anyway, an early cape like this would be ideal for a BEF impression... Would anyone be interested in one of these if I could get some made up?

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Post by deebo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:25 pm

put me down for one

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Re: Repro Early War Groundsheet / Capes

Post by TubbyBinns on Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:18 am

Initial update on this is that Kiddle has run out of material and can't get any more!  It's a pity as a decent supply of proper dark brown capes would have been a great seller with the 100th anniversary of everything WW1 starting for four years this year!

The current repros out their by the likes of soldier of fortune are wrong - they are too light for early war... Ideal for 1944... Off the map for 1939/40.

I'll continue to dig around!


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Post by deebo on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:04 am

what about gas capes? any idea where to get a good one?

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Re: Repro Early War Groundsheet / Capes

Post by TubbyBinns on Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:05 pm

The capes by What Price Glory were ok... Not authentic... But authentic is literally soaked in linseed oil...

The WPG ones are green and waterproof... I've just bought one... I'll be replacing the snap fasteners with original Neweys...

I have a Steve Kiddle repro which all the linseed oil went tacky on... I washed out the linseed oil and redyed it... I'll be waterproofing it using spray on wax reproofing for Barbour jackets...

Not sure if there are any other repros out there these days...

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Post by deebo on Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:14 am

thanks,did see the wpg ones and were the only ones I could find.

have some time to try find any others out there

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Post by TubbyBinns on Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:13 am

If I didn't have a Kiddle one I'd probably just get a WPG one...
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Re: Repro Early War Groundsheet / Capes

Post by PJ Knight on Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:44 am

Pete,

There was a guy in the US who posted pictures of a good looking repro he had made from a WPG (Same as SoF) cape which he had painted with a brown silicone waterproofer. It was posted on a FB group, i will try and find it again…

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Re: Repro Early War Groundsheet / Capes

Post by TubbyBinns on Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:21 am

Great... Because with those, all we'd need to do is add brass eyelets and that's an easy addition! Cheers Pete!

We also need to look at a load of re-finished helmet shells in an eggshell / semi gloss brown...
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Post by PJ Knight on Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:39 am

I have a mint un-touched 1939 dated shell we can take to have colour matched if you like? It does not look like any of the repro colours I have seen used anywhere so far.  They all seem very "glossy".

Bearing in mind, back then, there was no such thing as truly "matt" paint due to the limitations of the production process. I think eggshell is more akin to the colour we are looking for.

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Post by TubbyBinns on Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:42 am

I think mine is 1938 or 39 dated and the paint is in good nick.., its not fully glossed up but it certainly catches the light...

If you could get your colour matched then excellent...
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Post by TubbyBinns on Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:16 am

In relation to the groundsheets, Pete... Would the GROUNDSHEETS sold by WPG be ok with some brass eyelets in?  Or was it cape types only at that stage?


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Post by Bazooka_Joe on Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:59 am

Here is a link to the post about the camo groundsheet/capes.



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Search for "Mkv1 ground sheet or mkv11" on the wwiireenacting forum.

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Post by TubbyBinns on Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:56 am

Thanks Jeff - will do - I can then try to post the link.


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Re: Repro Early War Groundsheet / Capes

Post by TubbyBinns on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:23 am

Chaps - Here is the link...

http://www.wwiireenacting.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=84973

The solution used here was a brown plasti-cote spray on a post war green cape...

I'm not so sure it's that much of a viable option...

We almost need a rubber like dark brown paint... Then it could be painted on a Soldier of Fortune late war repro cape... If painted on the outside, the inside could be left light tan and it would be spot on... then the only thing left to do would be to add some brass eyelets...

The problem is finding the paint...
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Post by TubbyBinns on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:31 am

I did wonder about this paint... We may be expecting too much from it by applying it to canvas and expecting it to remain supple and I doubt it'll dry as flexibly as we'd want it... Not without flaking off the folds...

http://www.plastidip.co.uk/eStore/index.cfm?type=Home_Solutions/PlastiDip_Camo&stage=1&menu=0

They have various products... And they do them in various colours...

I might give them a call.


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Re: Repro Early War Groundsheet / Capes

Post by samharris45 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:30 am

It seems it may well be ok to give the 'look' we are after but I think field use will destroy the paint especially seeing that we are going to use our groundsheets in field conditions.

Nice topic though and interesting to see how we can overcome these issues.

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Re: Repro Early War Groundsheet / Capes

Post by TubbyBinns on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:40 am

Sam - I agree entirely. I have a nice 1940 dated cape in good condition - very supple. I don't fancy using it to be honest but I will if there's nothing else.
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Post by samharris45 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:45 am

Well at least you have an option as I'm not as fortunate!

If a supplement/reproduction can't be sourced will it be agreed on what we are to use? We are all going to want to look as good and near to perfect as possible but sometimes such as in this case it may not be possible.
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Post by TubbyBinns on Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:42 am

I understand... The SOF repro is very good... But only for the more economy type of lighter cape issued later in the war... I wish SOF wouldn't market it as a WW1 cape.

I'm hoping this coating compound will help... The capes do not need to be camouflaged - just a darker earth colour and the holes need brass eyelets.

A cape from SOF is around £50... By the time you've paid for materials for modifications it could easily cost £80...

I've called their technical department and I'm awaiting a call back... They do lots of different products so I'm hoping they can help.
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Post by TubbyBinns on Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:52 am

PS - Going rate for a decent early war cape is probably around £80 plus these days. I saw a WW2 camouflaged one at Stoneleigh for £180 (crazy money as it was as brittle as hell) and Sentimental Journey had an undated brown one which was in very good condition for... Wait for it... Over £400... Crazy.
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Post by TubbyBinns on Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:34 am

PPS - Pete Knight made reference to a chap in the US adapting a WPG/SOF cape... So it may not be the same as the link given above... The chap who adapted a green cloak was from AFRA in the UK...

Pete - Any news on that SOF/WPG modification?
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Re: Repro Early War Groundsheet / Capes

Post by deebo on Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:37 am

just a thought try having a look at ebay no. 221209274631

or something similier

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Post by deebo on Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:44 am

or this one? 110956803691

just saw a video on you tube using this respraying a whole car interior

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Re: Repro Early War Groundsheet / Capes

Post by TubbyBinns on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:48 am

That last one looks very good... I think the only problem will be the fact the groundsheet cape may NOT be absorbent as it is supposed to be rubberised and waterproof...
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